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Seeking a part 1 placement

I must have sent out over 500 cvs in the last couple of months searching for a placement.98% of the replies that I have got is that they are not looking for part 1 candidates now. Even the interviews that I have been to and got an offer from, cannot give me an absolute start date due to the uncertainty of the industry.

While I understand that this must be what a lot of students are experiencing now, I am really worried about the fact that I am not gaining any work experience while waiting to get back to university.

Is there any advice on what I should do next?

I have been using the RIBA directory to search for Architecture practices' details (which I then contact to ask for a placement). However, is there a way to get the contact details of the practices that haven't registered to the RIBA?

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winnie tam

I have actually been to an internship abroad after being made redundant last year, hoping that the industry would be better after a year. From the look of it now, it is not too much better.

The most frustrating thing is that even if you have got through an interview it doesn't mean that you have got the job. When the project falls through you'd need to start the job search again. I am wondering if my time should be used better than doing this job search.

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james_92 [ Editor ]

I did not mean to cause any offence. I was merely stating that in my personal experience (and I realise this is only anecdotal), students do not tend to be as proactive as they could be in investigating alternatives. Congratulations on finding work abroad, it will put you in good stead for the future.

People need to be aware that they don't just have to apply for unpaid or poorly-paid internships abroad, but can apply for proper jobs. You will find you are more than qualified for many positions.

Out of interest, were you aware of the programmes run by the government?

Again, congrats on finding work.

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paul_80

put aside the assignments and this is one of the toughest parts of the process!!! I am currently in the same boat, in my second year Part 1 and sick to the teeth of my own CV! I have recently been given some advice to network and its starting to come up with some promising news. post yourself on blog spaces, posterous, naymz, facebooks and tweets even here. its all about trying to get the edge over the competition. Once you have done a few of these then try sending your CV and cover letter along with your blog address which will show them more about what you like or don't. what your in to, your favourite buildings, projects your in to.... so on.
The industry is really suffering at the minute and only the strongest will survive..

I am doing all this with a family and its near impossible but if you want it then you have to work damn hard to get it..

wish you well with your career

Paul

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christian_14

Hi there.

I am also currently on the hunt for a Part 1 placement, and although i'm only in the very early stages (i've only started sending out cv's this week) I have been looking into the possibilities of going abroad for for work, and other than send out my CV to foreign based firms registered with the ARB, i'm not too sure of the best approach to take.

I found out about IAESTE last year, but too late to sign up as they stop taking applicants in November time. James, I wasn't aware that the government were sponsoring placements for graduates to work for Chinese firms. I've tried to find out more on the net but can't for the life of my find anything. Infact any search I do comes up with this thread at the top! I don't suppose you have any further information on the scheme, or could provide me with a website where I could find out more. I've been looking on the endless government websites but can't find a thing.

Many thanks.

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winnie tam

Thank you very much for your answer, but I think this is highly unfair of you to assume that we haven't been looking elsewhere. For your information I did take an internship in China but it doesn't mean that I would not prefer a job here closer to where I study. Posting questions on website is also one way of seeking and I have got plenty of good advice from here, however, this doesn't mean that this is what I have been doing all day. I have already found a job for a few months after posting the question but thank you again for your advice.

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anonymous

I’m just at the start of my search, I going to look into hands on construction or volunteer work as the placement situation is very bleak. I suggest to anyone who is searching to diversify, read and maybe set their own curriculum through competitions. 

I’m sure this will be a lot more challenging than a pencil pushing job in a multinational corporation where you will at best brush up on your sketch up and CAD.
After all is it not better to enjoy architecture than bang your head off a wall for a year.

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tom22

One year later and the situation seems still no better; very, very frustrating indeed and hard to keep track of where I have applied to in order to phone them up.

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ally

I was in the very same boat until the beginning of this year when I finally caught a break from one of the many speculative letters/cvs I sent out all over the place. The office I wrote to weren't advertising any open position; it was just sheer dumb luck - right time, right place.

Unfortunately that is how it seems to be right now and I know a lot of very talented people who still haven't found anything and I know how frustrating/hopeless it can seem. All you can do is keep plugging away, it may sound pointless but I had been sending letters and CVs and eMails from June of last year...

If you have never experienced working in an office before then maybe you could consider doing a week or two of unpaid work but personally I think working for free is a bit of a joke (just my opinion.)

Ultimately if you don't find any work between now and September I'd say don't worry about it. Plenty of time to get the experience down after 5th year.

(If you have lots of spare time on your hands I'd also definitely consider working on a student competition or similar to keep your creative brain ticking over - plus it can go in your folio and impress any potential employer at an interview to show you haven't just been twiddling your thumbs all year).

Good luck in your search.

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henry j

I know how hard it is. I've sent hundreds off and had very few responses. I feel like I've achieved something if I get an email back saying "sorry we don't have any part 1 jobs" The few times I've been offered interviews (all at very short notice) they've taken weeks to get back to me and it turns out they didn't have a job in the first place.

Just keep on going at it, I know it's awful. I generally find I send off about 20 letters per day and then go for a run to get rid of that awful feeling.

I was told whatever happens, don't offer to work for free. I think with every part 1 that gets a job, it takes me closer to my turn to get a job.

I'm not sure about returning to part 2 without any experience because I'm worried I'll struggle without having any office experience but if you think you can do it you should go for it.

Good luck. There are plenty of us out there in the same boat so you're not alone.

Henry

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james_92 [ Editor ]

I really do struggle when I read these types of query. I know it's unbelievably difficult out there - only yesterday the Financial Times had a damning article about the state of our profession, but all is not lost. I think most architecture students could do with being more pragmatic.

How many of you were aware that the British Government is sponsoring placements for architectural graduates in leading companies in China? How many of you are aware of IAESTE - a British Council administered scheme specifically to give architecture and engineering students/graduates paid work experience abroad? How many of you have considered applying to engineering consultancies or other built environment professions? You have skills that are much in demand.

For those of you wishing to to something about this situation, what about applying speculatively to firms in China. They'll bite your arm off. I have benefited from all of the advice above and I really do get annoyed when people say, "oh well how did you find that?" I got off my arse, thought pragmatically and LOOKED for a different selection of options! There are, indeed, no opportunities if you remain focused an a select area of the profession.

I don't mean to sound so critical but I do despair sometimes. Okay, you may not get the year out you were hoping for, but I would be willing to bet that you would benefit from a greater variety of experiences, both in your professional and personal lives.

Good luck!

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james_92 [ Editor ]

Hi Christian.

The programme in particular is known as the UK-China Graduate Work Experience Programme, organised by the BIS and Education Departments I believe. Just apply for the speculative engineering stream and they can find architectural placements in multidisciplinary firms. If there's nothing listed I would highly reccomend telephoning them and explaining your situation - they'll probably be able to get companies they've worked with in the past (i.e. with me!) to take on placement students if asked.

Also, with regards to speculative applications to foreign firms, you can apply to any practice, they do not have to be registered with the ARB. In order for you to use the experience towards your PEDR you will, however, have to write to the ARB requesting them to approve the placement. This is a very simple process whereby you outline some details about the practice (number of employees, turnover, type of work undertaken etc.) and specify the registration details of your supervisor - they must be registered architects, but don't have to be RIBA or EU. Don't limit your foreign searches to ARB firms or those with UK connections.

Many of my friends graduating this year have found work abroad already, I'm sure you'll be fine. Just make sure you get the approval letter from the ARB. They're very helpful - it's probably worth telephoning them to ask who to email.

Good luck, James

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imarcus

Have a look at your CV - critically.

I was always told that a job CV should have a front cover detailing your information, i.e. name address, school, qualifications etc.

Second and subsequent pages offer a brief synopsis of your skills as they relate to each employment in chronological order & don't leave any time gaps. Given this might well be your first job - have you worked part time? if so, this counts, it can be a good indicator of how hard you are prepared to work. My wife used to recruit for a large retailer - first thing she always looked at was experience & reason for leaving.

Remember, your cv is an introduction to you, it tells your (potential) employer the kind of person you are, and make them want to speak to you at interview - if your cv is boring and rabbits on, or poorly set out, spelt etc. are they going to waste their expensive time. Remember there are a lot of people out there, competing for the same job - does your cv stand out enough to create an interest?

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george_22

What a waste of bright young talent. This government must be answerable for the effect that their policies are having on the Architectural profession and construction industry in general. My son has just graduated with first class honours, worked hard throughout 6th form and university to arrive at this situation. When I read the experiences of the people above I can relate directly to them. I was particularly interested in the firms that interview when no jobs exist. This leads to anxious searching of email replies and the post without any response. They all blame the scrapping of BSF and the spending the budget due October 22nd. The RIBA and Universities seem helpless to respond to this crisis. This could result in a whole generation of young British talent being lost. It wouldn’t happen in medicine or teaching, those professions would be far more interactive. So now we are faced with Honours graduates with 4 ‘A’ grades at A level ( Including Maths and Phyics) and 12 A grades at GCSE ( including 7 at *A) offering their services for free and struggling to find any takers. What a sorry state this country is in.

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izzy

Very true George. Although I must say that I think your son need not worry too much. If he is as highly qualified as you attest I'm sure he'll no doubt find a suitable job soon. My own experience and that of my colleagues has suggested a slightly different curve. Those at the top end of the spectrum (with the First, 4 As and A*s) have been as ingenious as ever and firms have found them work, or they've applied for unusual jobs or gone abroad. It's the mass in the middle that I worry for. It is they who will largely miss out.

I wouldn't worry about the 'bright young things' - the bright ones I know have done / are doing all right.

Good luck to your son.

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george_22

Dear Izzy Thank you for your reply. I know this isn’t about parents of those young people without jobs, but it does take its toll. I teach for a living and spend most of my time trying to convince my students that hard work will bring its own reward. Unfortunately, I can’t share your optimism about the ‘ bright young things’ as life is not that simple. The strongest will survive I suppose in the end if they persevere and don’t give up. China seems a huge ask for a 21 yr old and I’m not certain if an experience out there counts. I’m now working on the principle that everybody knows somebody who knows somebody who knows an architect (if you get my drift). Its quite an onerous task but I’m quite surprised at the leads that it brings.

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